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Adam
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What?! When did this happen? 28mm WW2? What figures? Plastic or metal? (Photos or it didn't happen...)

June 20, 2015 at 9:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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28mm metal (all of it.), i bought a company plus arty support in march... 118 figures inc sniper team and officers and radio and 3 mortars.

i also bought this lot of warlord games bolt action stuff (no not the rules just the figure range.).

5 105mm artillery pieces (1 1939-1942 model and 4 1943-1945 model's.) and i also added an A9 ( matilda 1.) and A11 to the vbcw armour, although they are still in the box :) , 2 british 6 pounder AT guns 2 german pack40 ATG (1943-1945) and a FOO team (german). plus 2 german grenadier squads (another 20 miniatures)

i was about to prime the infantry from blacktree this morning and then the rain arrived, so....

the infantry company are all from blacktree (118 figures.) and after de-flashing are pretty nice figures


i've also got various other german and soviet troops, the soviet army is next on the purchase list and then, much in the future a company of americans. at that point i'll have every army to fight a company per side scale ww2 north european battle :)... after its painted.

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June 20, 2015 at 9:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Adam
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All I have painted in 28mm is:  1x Sherman, 2 x M3/4 AA carriers and a handful of infantrymen.

June 22, 2015 at 6:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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well i managed to prime up two platoons before the can exploded and covered my hands in green.

gotta wait until i get some more before i can carry on... didnt quite give the coverage i wanted

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June 22, 2015 at 7:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Adam
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Just to clarify, my painted 28mm WW2 stuff consists of: 1x Sherman, 1 x M3, 2 x M16 Quad 50 cals and 6 x GIs.

June 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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how much unpainted have you got in the lead mountain then? :P

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June 25, 2015 at 9:37 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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i have ten plastic russians undercoated 22 metal (inc 2 anti tank rifles) and ten fully painted (used at vbcw game)

ive also got further to the above germans, 45 germans fully painted but badly scratched up and needing touching up. so all toldmust have in the region of 180 germans 40 odd russians and obviously all the british/commonwealth stuff for vbcw

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June 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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lots of painting to be done, germans are on hold atm because of the spray can primer explosion.

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June 25, 2015 at 9:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Adam
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Jim at June 25, 2015 at 9:37 AM

how much unpainted have you got in the lead mountain then? :P

None! (I know I am astonished too.) I do have a box of 8th Army plastics bought with VBCW in mind really... Maybe I shall have to get a platoon of Yanks to ride in my halftracks...?

June 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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my germans are mainly blacktree with the specialist equipment being warlords. myplan is to get the russians upto the level of my germans in terms of equipment and ground troops add again the same amount of equipment (think im lacking mortars and artillery) on the brits and then do the same on the americans but the americans are a long way down that priority list.

armour wise i'll add along the way warlords do triples of things the only problem i have is the scale , i dont like 1/56th.

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June 26, 2015 at 5:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/product.php?productid=24910&cat=2546&page=4

here ya go adam, a cheap metal platoon of yanks

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June 26, 2015 at 5:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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although i'd say wait until they have them on sale again

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June 26, 2015 at 5:21 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Hanni
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The issue I have is that they have the nerve to charge £20 for a plastic model of, say an M3 half track, which if it was 1/76 rather than 1/56 would cost about £5, they are only a bit bigger and the extra cost in plastic is minimal, same with the figures, plastics still work out at about £1 each and take about a month to glue to the table and your fingers and the floor..........

Still might join in with some kind of Recce unit, jeeps and the like.

http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/bolt-action/products/us-airborne-jeep

How much ?

http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/bolt-action/products/m5-half-track

Yes I know it's an M5, but they've stopped doing the M3 and they're basically the same.

http://www.bdpricemodelstoys.co.uk/product/airfix-1-76-white-half-track-m3a1-1-ton-trailer-airfix-model-kit-series-2-02318

http://www.jotohobbies.com/buffalo-amphibian-and-jeep-p-5038.html?osCsid=29011de3096a69b7b769f0e8b1cc4bbe

Get two bits here, I'm sure Hasegawa or one of the other Japanese manufacturers did a box of a couple of jeeps.

June 26, 2015 at 9:25 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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its the initial investment in the mould for plastics remember what the guy at armour-fast told us, £15k for a longlife mould £6k for a 6,000 impression mild steel  so the up front costs need to be covered, over time they will get cheaper but you have to make the start up cost back plus profit in the short to medium term.


those airfix kits are still from the moulds made when both of us were children.

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June 26, 2015 at 10:14 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Hanni
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It's mainly 'supply & demand' it's a popular scale and period now (and also has the 'Bolt Action' endorsement) so is costed at a premium, the Airfix arguement is fairly spurious as they were never very expensive and, by now, have definitely paid back the start up costs, the 28mm stuff will in time but it's the 'Evil Empire' type model - squeeze them dry now as they really want this stuff, see the difference in cost (and quality) of the FoW branded 15mm to the unbranded 15mm stuff of mainstream manufacturers as an example.  There also aren't many companies doing 28mm at the moment, remember when we were looking for stuff for VBCW, and most will do later war stuff as it's more popular, virtually everyone will do M4's or Panthers, but not many will do A9's or Matilda 1's. If it was just paying baclk costs, the popular models would cost less, but they don't, they know that over time they will get there money back (See Airfix above) just not this year, like the Dartford Bridge, things don't get cheaper when they are paid for. :)

June 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Adam
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Cost of production (factoring in tooling) doesn't bare much resemblance to selling price but I do have more tolerance where these are being manufactured in the UK.  Stuff manufactured in China, India or Russia should be half the price. A good example is the prices of the Corgi models, fully painted and less than wrgamers' plastic kits quite often. Only reason I own any is that I have seen them for silly-cheap prices and thought they might come in handy one day (like you do...)

June 26, 2015 at 5:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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recently had 32 shermans and 3 wolverines painted up in 6mm along with 2 churchills and a bunker buster churchill. just played a game using coffin for seven brothers, works well, not very bloody on actually knocking tanks out, lots of broken tracks on both sides and crews bailing out because of failed morale but only 5 tanks destroyed 11 tanks in an immobile state waiting on being fixed.

forces were 2 x 88mm At guns,16 panzer4 H's 8 stugs and 8 tiger1's .... vs ....  32 easy 8 shermans and 3 wolverines (didint get onto map). a nice introduction to the ruleset on a 2 by 2 styrene board germans were defending.

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August 7, 2015 at 6:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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looks like the 6mm buildings will be finished soon :) then im buying some more allied armour (british shermans and stuff) to get painted up , should be able to get a decent game out of them then :) only took what four years.

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August 21, 2015 at 5:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Adam
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Jim at June 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM

I'm about to start on my 28mm German company ( this after finally deflashing the figures.), will probably prime up all three platoons 1st and then detail them up before starting on the mortars and artillery.

at last, some incentive and effort combined  :)

I refer you to the first page of this thread and the 41 painted British tanks mentioned there...


we we tried Chain of Command the other day, really good system, perfect for 28mm figures (one platoon and supports a side)

August 23, 2015 at 4:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jim
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1 platoon... sigh thats not enough for a decent game 30 guys in groups of 8 ish and a mortar and a hmg and thats the game....

company sized :) 1 for 1 with support (not as a training game but as a rule, after we are set on a set of rules.)

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August 24, 2015 at 4:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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